shader or liner

I haven't done any color yet, so I would like to know when coloring should I use a shader or liner? Also I keep reading about a soft back spring can anyone explain? Thanx a million.

I haven't done any color yet, so I would like to know when coloring should I use a shader or liner?

What do you think? The clue is in the name of the needle

Also I keep reading about a soft back spring can anyone explain? Thanx a million.

The spring which the armature bar is attached to is the back spring. How stiff it is could pretty much be down to personal choice

I guess that was a no brainer? As far as the back spring I should have been more clear, what I should have asked was what do you mean by softening? My gues is the amount of bend on the spring but I just wanna be sure. I don't mean to be a pest with all my questions, but it seems that every pro in my city seems to be to good for anyone with questions, and also seem to be to good to take on an apprentice.

I guess that was a no brainer? As far as the back spring I should have been more clear, what I should have asked was what do you mean by softening? My gues is the amount of bend on the spring but I just wanna be sure. I don't mean to be a pest with all my questions, but it seems that every pro in my city seems to be to good for anyone with questions, and also seem to be to good to take on an apprentice.

Springs come in different guages...you can use them to make different set-ups on your machines. You could make a machine that is maninly a color packer/liner with stiffer springs or you could have a shader with lighter springs, its a trial and error type thing. I believe on my shader machine its got a medium guage spring in the back and a bit stiffer up front.
you really shouldnt need to "bend" them other than just slightly. If you take a look on ebay or amazon you can find spring kits at a decent price pick one up and just start seeing what works for your style.
Again..trial and error....thats all you can do.

I haven't done any color yet, so I would like to know when coloring should I use a shader or liner?

What do you think? The clue is in the name of the needle

Also I keep reading about a soft back spring can anyone explain? Thanx a million.

The spring which the armature bar is attached to is the back spring. How stiff it is could pretty much be down to personal choice

Hmmmmm.....color packing machine could be a liner???!!!???? If your packing color would seem plausable that you would want something that is a bit harder hitting than your soft shader machine where you have to go over it 3-4 times for the color to take? make sense?

Makes perfect sense. I totally understand what you are saying. I just don't have a lot of info on any of these matters until I receive my copy of "the book". But I truly appreciate all the input that I am getting.

I haven't done any color yet, so I would like to know when coloring should I use a shader or liner?

What do you think? The clue is in the name of the needle

Also I keep reading about a soft back spring can anyone explain? Thanx a million.

The spring which the armature bar is attached to is the back spring. How stiff it is could pretty much be down to personal choice

Hmmmmm.....color packing machine could be a liner???!!!???? If your packing color would seem plausable that you would want something that is a bit harder hitting than your soft shader machine where you have to go over it 3-4 times for the color to take? make sense?

I would only use a liner for color packing if I was doing some really tight corners, or highlights which need precise, defined edges. If it is a case of a solid or even blended filling, a shader will be much kinder to the client's skin

good answer!

Or you can do yourself a favor & switch to a rotary machine? Just a personal preference,they hit harder no more adjusting constantly,springs,coils,contact points & other stuff. I know I'm new to the forum but not the game.

what if they rotary doesn't hit the way you like it to out of the box? That's one thing I've always wondered.

Still going to try one some day.